21-10-2013, 03:08 PM
Jeg ved ikke hvad det er med den 7 mm og dens anvendelighed, men hver gang kommer W. D. M. Bell navn og de 1011 tuskers op til overfladen.
Bell skød helst mod elefanter i ro ellers lod han være - han skød også med andet en 7X57 feks. Manlicher 6,5 og andre alt efter tilgang af riffel og ammo - han var absolut ikke 7mm fanatiker. Han skød med fuldkappet og så tungt han kun få kuglerne. Og han var en "one off" og hvad han kunne og gjore med en 7 mm er ikke gjort siden, så 7x57 er ikke den optimale elefant riffel med mindre man hedder Bell, var krybskytte og levede for hundrede år siden. Her er lidt facts, ud over de 1011 elefanter og 7x57:
He shot exactly 1,011 elephants; about 800 of them were shot with Rigby-made 7x57mm (.275 Rigby) rifles and round nose 173 grain military ammo.
He shot elephants with a Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5x54mm carbine using the long 159 grain FMJ bullets and noted that it was probably the most beautiful rifle he ever had, but gave it up due to faulty ammunition.
He shot his first safari with a Lee Enfield in .303 British and the 215 grain army bullet. Thereafter he kept a ten shot Army& Navy Lee Enfield as a sort of back up and in the hope he might find ten elephants silly enough to stand around long enough for him to use the whole magazine.
He went to rifles chambered in .318 Westley Richards for a while, which is a .32 caliber cartridge firing a 250 grain bullet at about 2400 fps, but found the ammunition unreliable and again returned to the 7x57mm. He later wrote that the .318 Westley Richards was more of a reliable killer for certain shots, while the 7x57 was a "surgeons" rifle.
He also recorded that one of the reasons why he favored the 7x57 was that the ammunition was more reliable and he could not recall ever having a fault with it; whereas British sporting ammunition, apart from the .303 military ammo, gave him endless trouble with splitting cases.
He owned a .450/400 Jeffrey double rifle made by Thomas Bland & Sons, but did not use it after his first safari, as he considered the action not rugged enough and the Mauser repeating action to be just as quick as a double for aimed shooting.
He wrote about being able to drop an elephant with a light caliber rifle if he shot it in the same place that he would have shot it with a heavy rifle and realised this fully when he saw that elephants shot with a .303 died just as quickly when shot in the same place as a .450/400 double rifle with both triggers wired together, so they went off at the same time.
Med andre ord, Bell skød med hvilken som helst let riffel bare ammunitionen var fuldkappet og sagde bang hver gang - derfor brugte han 7x57 eller også var han bare en rekylling[:0][
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Tilbage til emnet - 7-08 virker bare mere balanceret i teorien end 308 og 243 på samme hylster. Det jeg fiffler med lige i øjeblikket er Norma Oryx 11 gram og 203B, det skulle give 760 m/s i en 60 cm pibe ref QL. Dernest bliver det TSX Poly Tip 140grain og Hornady SP 139grain til pap. Så må vi se hvad piben og jeg kan[
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Mvh Thorlak
Pedant[] Nu er det jo dejligt at nogen trods alt læser det man skriver, omend end ikke for andet så at finde fejl[]
Correct first shot placement, the rest is bullshit!
Bell skød helst mod elefanter i ro ellers lod han være - han skød også med andet en 7X57 feks. Manlicher 6,5 og andre alt efter tilgang af riffel og ammo - han var absolut ikke 7mm fanatiker. Han skød med fuldkappet og så tungt han kun få kuglerne. Og han var en "one off" og hvad han kunne og gjore med en 7 mm er ikke gjort siden, så 7x57 er ikke den optimale elefant riffel med mindre man hedder Bell, var krybskytte og levede for hundrede år siden. Her er lidt facts, ud over de 1011 elefanter og 7x57:
He shot exactly 1,011 elephants; about 800 of them were shot with Rigby-made 7x57mm (.275 Rigby) rifles and round nose 173 grain military ammo.
He shot elephants with a Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5x54mm carbine using the long 159 grain FMJ bullets and noted that it was probably the most beautiful rifle he ever had, but gave it up due to faulty ammunition.
He shot his first safari with a Lee Enfield in .303 British and the 215 grain army bullet. Thereafter he kept a ten shot Army& Navy Lee Enfield as a sort of back up and in the hope he might find ten elephants silly enough to stand around long enough for him to use the whole magazine.
He went to rifles chambered in .318 Westley Richards for a while, which is a .32 caliber cartridge firing a 250 grain bullet at about 2400 fps, but found the ammunition unreliable and again returned to the 7x57mm. He later wrote that the .318 Westley Richards was more of a reliable killer for certain shots, while the 7x57 was a "surgeons" rifle.
He also recorded that one of the reasons why he favored the 7x57 was that the ammunition was more reliable and he could not recall ever having a fault with it; whereas British sporting ammunition, apart from the .303 military ammo, gave him endless trouble with splitting cases.
He owned a .450/400 Jeffrey double rifle made by Thomas Bland & Sons, but did not use it after his first safari, as he considered the action not rugged enough and the Mauser repeating action to be just as quick as a double for aimed shooting.
He wrote about being able to drop an elephant with a light caliber rifle if he shot it in the same place that he would have shot it with a heavy rifle and realised this fully when he saw that elephants shot with a .303 died just as quickly when shot in the same place as a .450/400 double rifle with both triggers wired together, so they went off at the same time.
Med andre ord, Bell skød med hvilken som helst let riffel bare ammunitionen var fuldkappet og sagde bang hver gang - derfor brugte han 7x57 eller også var han bare en rekylling[:0][
][][]Tilbage til emnet - 7-08 virker bare mere balanceret i teorien end 308 og 243 på samme hylster. Det jeg fiffler med lige i øjeblikket er Norma Oryx 11 gram og 203B, det skulle give 760 m/s i en 60 cm pibe ref QL. Dernest bliver det TSX Poly Tip 140grain og Hornady SP 139grain til pap. Så må vi se hvad piben og jeg kan[
]Mvh Thorlak
Pedant[
] Nu er det jo dejligt at nogen trods alt læser det man skriver, omend end ikke for andet så at finde fejl[]Correct first shot placement, the rest is bullshit!
Correct first shot placement, the rest is bullshit!