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#21
Det samme i Load from a disk,
jeg måtte selv taste oplysningerne ind under ny kugle
kan man der i quickload?

men den siger ca 104 til 110 grains norma Mrp og tryk fra 55000 til 60000.[?]
alliant skriver at norma fabrikes ammo ligger på 60000 i kammertryk
det skulle give ca 825 meter/s med en 380 grains, ca 8300 joule [:p]muzzle, så det skulle jo nok kunne vælte den 20 takker elg jeg har en aftale med til oktober [Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin]

378 Weatherby - The MAGNUM'S MAGNUM
http://www.weatherby.dk
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#22
Citat:quote:

Originally posted by dravis
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Det er naturligvis det rigtigste at teste ladninger ved at starte med nogen der er "lette" eller "moderate" ifølge "de teoretiske" computer-programmer, eller benytte eksisterende lade-data fra bøgerne.
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Hej Dravis,

jeg tror at vi er enige langt hen ad vejen.

Citat:quote:

Originally posted by dravis
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Så ligefrem at kalde det en uskik at bruge teoretisk metoder til indre ballistik, det er efter min mening at være "overforsigtig" med tendens til at være bagstræberisk.
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Jeg maner ikke til overforsigtighed, men til at man ikke tror på andres teorier eller programmer, når man i praksis selv kan finde ud af det man vil vide.

Det er lidt henad diskussionen om usikkerheden på en angivet BC. Jeg er helt enig i at man kan planlægge sine ladninger ved PC'en rigtigt godt - men det er først på skydebanen at man ser hvordan kuglen går.

Måske er det bare en morale jeg gentager for mig selv fordi jeg har brug for at minde mig om det.

osterwald
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#23
hej skipper

din 378har ifølge quickload et max tryk på 63816 psi = 4400,0 bar
når jeg sætter kuglevægten op fra et hornady 300ges spbt til 380grs
og putter 110grs norma mrp i siger den kammer tryk 70767 psi (4879 bar)
SÅ DEN DUR IKKERIFLEN EXPLODERE

og 104 grs norma mrp siger kammertryk 59409psi
så det er lidt bedre

men husk nu alting med følelse

Hilsen:
Bøssemager Hatting

Be aware of the man with only "one" riffel
man er vel jysk
Mvh. Hatting
Custom Metalsmith
http://www.gunsmith.dk 
http://www.dkbullets.dk
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#24
Hej hatting

det er jo derfor jeg spørger i forummet,

jeg kan se at max ladning for en 300 grains kugle i norma ladebog, er netop 110,2 grains, så er det jo mistænkeligt at bruge samme krudtladning til en kugler der er næsten 30% tungere.

I the big bores
er der ladedata for en 300 grains kugle med krudtet 4831 og 111 grains, og hvis man så bruger en 350 grains colorado custom, falder krudtmængden til 106 grains i bogen

da 380 er tungere skal krudtmængden yderlige ned, så det kunne være de de 104 grains du snakker om i norma mrp passer fint.

Det ser ud til at 4831 er lidt kraftigere en norma mrp.

( hvad siger quickload til 4831 og 111 grains og 350 grains kugle)

Norma har en inteval på ca 6-7 grains fra max til min, og da man ikke må lave underladninger, på grund at detonationsfare, tror jeg at en ladning på 97-98 grain norma mrp vil være en god start.

Jeg lader ikke noget før tidligt om to uger, da jeg har føleren ude hos rhinobullet efter ladedate, samt hos harbovåben.

men se hvad mit program siger, og et tryk på 9000 betyder noget oppe i den ende
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MEN jeg tror ikke den springer i luften af 70000, (jeg har ikke tænkt mig at prøve bare rolig[Big Grin]

men læs dette om test af weatherby MARK V lås.

Testing the Mark V Action
This fifth and final prototype action had been built with the help of
a newly-hired engineer, Fred Jennie. It was even more streamlined,
and also incorporated a new simplified trigger and safety mechanism
to reduce tooling and manufacturing costs.
Was this the safest action ever produced, as Weatherby claimed? Roy
thought that, finally, it was time to subject his new action to vigorous
performance tests. Built on the prototype action, a rifle in .300
Weatherby Magnum caliber was used for the tests. Prior to any firing,
careful measurements were taken of the diameter of the bolt face
housing, head space measurements were recorded, and all other
pertinent dimensions.
The first test firing was with a cartridge that had been loaded with
82 grains of 4350 DuPont powder, using the 180-gr. bullet. This load
gave an average breech pressure of 65,000 psi. After firing, there was
no sign of pressure and extraction was easy. The same 82-gr.load was
fired in the Mauser action and a slight sticking of the cartridge case
resulted. Four more loads with the powder charge being increased in
two-grain increments were prepared, each one using 4350 powder and
the 180-gr. bullet. After firing the 84-gr.load, there was still no sign of
pressure and no sticking of the cartridge case, even though the breech
pressure had been increased to almost 75,000 psi. When firing this
84-gr load in the Mauser action, it caused a blown primer and it was
almost an impossibility to extract the cartridge case.
When the load was increased to 86 grains in the Mark V, the
cartridge case began to show signs of pressure, but it still did not
stick and extracted easily. Breech pressures were 85,000 to 95,000
psi. A measurement of this fired cartridge case showed that it had
stretched at the belt by .0005 inches. When the 88-gr.load was fired
in the Mark V with pressures in the neighborhood of 100,000 psi,
there was a slight sticking of the cartridge case making the bolt
slightly difficult to open,
but the cartridge case could still be easily extracted. In measuring the
belt again, it had now swelled .002 of an inch, from .533 to .535.
For the final test the cartridge case was filled with powder, leveling
it off at the top. This was 90 grains of powder. Mter firing, the bolt was
difficult to open, but without exerting too much pressure it could be
opened and the case extracted. There were now extreme signs of
pressure on the case, but no gas had escaped back into the magazine
and the primers showed very slight signs of leaking. The belt of the
cartridge case still measured .535 inches. Mter this firing, a difference
between the outside diameter of the head of the bolt and the inside
diameter of the barrel of .004 inches (or .002 a side) was noted. Even
with this terrific overload, there was still no swelling or damage to any
part of the bolt, receiver or barrel. The head space was checked
between each test firing and at no time was there any change noted in
the head space.
Weatherby was extremely excited after these tests, and felt certain
that the Mark V would be the safest action of all time!
Some time later, after additional working models of this prototype
had been produced, one last experiment was made. A 180-gr. .30
caliber bullet was lodged in the throat of the barrel. A standard load of
78 grains of 4350 and the 180-gr. bullet was chambered and fired, with
the following results: both bullets traveled out the barrel, pressures
were tremendously high, the primer was pierced letting gases enter
the interior of the bolt, hitting the firing pin sleeve which acted as a
piston, loosening the bolt sleeve cap somewhat. The bolt was opened
by hand. The cartridge case remained in the chamber, but no problem
was involved in tapping it out with a steel rod. The case appeared to
be in very good condition with the exception of the primer being
pierced.
In checking the dimensions of the barrel and action, it was found
that the barrel in front of the receiver ring expanded from 1.147 inches
to 1.1496 inches. The diameter of the bolt head expanded from. 7178
to. 7190. Head space increased from .2163 to .2174. All other dimen-
sions remained the same as prior to the test.
This experiment was repeated 15 additional times. The severest test
was when a 220-gr. bullet was placed in the bore, and a standard
180-gr. round fired in back of it. On this particular firing, the head
diameter of the cartridge increased to .545 inches. It was also noted
after these additional 15 firings that the head space was set back a mere
.001. This was truly the ultimate in tests for the strength and safety of this remarkable new action.

skipper
378 Weatherby - The MAGNUM'S MAGNUM
http://www.weatherby.dk
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#25
hej skipper
Citat:quote:

( hvad siger quickload til 4831 og 111 grains og 350 grains kugle)



quickload siger NAAAAAAAAAJ
(111grs MIR 4831/350 grs kugle siger )(79057psi eller 5450bar )
dur ikke det er en ommer[}Smile][V]

det er ikke næmt at være weatherby ejer[Big Grin]

Hilsen:
Bøssemager Hatting

Be aware of the man with only "one" riffel
man er vel jysk
Mvh. Hatting
Custom Metalsmith
http://www.gunsmith.dk 
http://www.dkbullets.dk
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#26
Hej Wonka

jo da jeg har barnes TSX i 300 grains med ca 920 M/S målt

der bruger jeg 111 grains mrp, og der er ikke nogen tegn på overtyk.
norma siger max 110,2 til nn nosler og barnes siger at der skal 1-2 grains mere i end til nosler. så der et lidt til max.

men helt sikker en god elgkugle også.

måske ville en sammeligning af kuglerne være en god ide her i uge 41[Big Grin][Big Grin]

skipper
378 Weatherby - The MAGNUM'S MAGNUM
http://www.weatherby.dk
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#27
hej hatting

det program quickload,
er det licens, ellers freeware, shareware, friendsware

skipper
378 Weatherby - The MAGNUM'S MAGNUM
http://www.weatherby.dk
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#28
Quickload siger (fodret med Custom bullet 380 grains Rhino Moly)
Pibelængde = 26"

Start Load = 97,5 grains MRP, Pressure = 3572 Bar, Load density = 87,2%
Max load = 104,5 grains MRP, Pressure = 4340 Bar
Load density = 93,5% V(0) = 812 m/sek

Med VV N165

Start Load = 98 grains VV N165, Pressure = 3520 Bar, Load density = 86,7%

Max load = 104,5 grains VV N165, Pressure = 4386 Bar
Load density = 93,4% V(0) = 788 m/sek

Med VV N560

Start Load = 97,1 grains N560, Pressure = 3709 Bar, Load density = 85,1%
Max load = 103 grains VV N560, Pressure = 4382 Bar
Load density = 90,2% V(0) = 805 m/sek

Med VV N170

Start Load = 107 grains VV N170, Pressure = 3496 Bar, Load density = 93,7 V(o) = 743 m/sek
Max load = 115 grains VV N170, Pressure = 4395 Bar
Load density = 100,7% V(0) = 800 m/sek

Med VV 24N41 (.50BMG krudt!!)

Start Load = 113 grains VV 24N41, Pressure = 3471 Bar, Load density = 97% V(o) = 767 m/sek
Max load = 115 grains VV N170, Pressure = 4395 Bar
Load density = 103,6% V(0) = 825 m/sek KOMPRIMERET LADNING!!!![Smile]

Skipper! Dit gæt på ca. 800 M/sek opnås kun med MAX ladninger

Good Luck!!!

Hilsner
Dravis aka:FMJ
"Sapere Aude: Dare to KNOW!" Nu med .376Steyr
Hilsner
Dravis aka:FMJ
"Sapere Aude: Dare to KNOW!"
"Do not adjust your mind, there's a fault in reality"
"Når to deler et ansvar, så er der to procent til hver"
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#29
hej dravis

meget interessante ladedata, tusind tak

har quickload, mrp-2 indprogrammeret

skipper
378 Weatherby - The MAGNUM'S MAGNUM
http://www.weatherby.dk
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